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BUCK CONNER
Editor - Staff Writer

   Smoke Signals

                   Jul./Aug. '10

 

The "2001 Alaska State Rendezvous" event provided valuable muzzleloader information that only a few have had the chance to study. No matter whether your one that shoots for score in competition or just shooting for "blanket prizes" or just the fun of it this is great information. These folks put a lot of their time and effort in the testing and recording their findings, probably the best results seen in years and produced by a "State Muzzle Loading Association". WOW

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Comparison of: Goex® , KIK®  & Elephant®  Brand of Black Powder

Introduction: At the 2001 Alaska State Rendezvous we had samples of Goex® , KIK®  and Elephant®  brands of black powder available for comparison.  In order to compare the performance characteristics of all three brands of powder, we asked four shooters to fire a string of five shots from each powder through a chronograph and recorded the results.

Methodology: Our objective was to obtain a practical comparison of the performance of each brand of black powder relative to each other. Because of the limited available supply of Elephant brand black powder for this test, we limited the number of test guns to four. Each of the shooters in this test can be described as an active muzzleloader shooter who routinely uses Goex®  brand black powder in their arms and is generally satisfied with its performance.

The four test guns are fairly typical of the historically authentic muzzleloaders used by rendezvous participants and traditional muzzleloader hunters in Alaska. The smallest caliber gun tested was .50 caliber, very popular among competitors, but rarely used for hunting due to regulations requiring a round-ball of .54 caliber or larger when hunting most big-game species in our State. Since most rendezvous competitors use the same guns with which they hunt, the larger caliber guns are more common. Two of the test guns were .62 caliber, one a smoothbore, the other a rifle. The fourth gun was a .54 caliber rifle.

Each shooter fired three strings of five rounds through the chronograph using the same volumetrically measured charge he normally uses in that gun during competition in rendezvous style shooting matches and/or while hunting. Each shooter fired one string of shots charged with Goex® , one of KIK®  and one of Elephant®  brand black powders. All three brands of black powder tested were in FFg granulation.  For the sake of consistency, each shooter used the same type of round ball, patch, lubricant and priming that he normally uses during rendezvous competition. The only variable between strings was the brand of black powder with which the rounds were charged.

Each gun was thoroughly cleaned between each of the three strings, and three of the four shooters swabbed the bores of their guns between each round in the string. The chronograph was placed 20 feet ahead of the firing line so that smoke, muzzleblast or debris would not interfere with the measurement of velocities through the instrument. Weather conditions during the test consisted of temperatures in the mid-50s (F.), calm winds (virtually still) and under overcast skies during a period of high relative humidity. For each string of five rounds, the average velocity and extreme spread of velocity was measured by the chronograph. Extreme spread as a percentage of the average velocity was calculated later. Theoretically, the lowest percentage of spread should result in the best potential accuracy for that particular gun, projectile and powder charge.

Data Gathered in the Tests: The table below represents the cumulative averages of all four test guns:

 

Goex® 

KIK® 

Elephant® 

Average Velocity

1324 fps

1438 fps

1232 fps

Av. Extreme Spread

96 fps

96 fps

132 fps

Spread / Velocity = %

7.2 %

6.6 %

10.7 %

Data From Individual Test Guns: The tables and text below represent the measurements obtained from each of the guns we tested.

Test Gun #1 was a Thompson Center, .50 caliber percussion ‘Hawken’ rifle with a standard length factory installed barrel, firing a .490" cast round ball patched with .015 cotton lubricated with saliva. The powder charge was 70 grains by volume. The gun was primed with Dixie brand percussion caps.

 

Goex® 

KIK® 

Elephant® 

Average Velocity

1292 fps

1475 fps

1263 fps

High Velocity

1342 fps

1512 fps

1316 fps

Low Velocity

1146 fps

1389 fps

1153 fps

Extreme Spread

196 fps

123 fps

110 fps

Spread / Av. Vel. = %

15 %

8.3 %

8.7 %

The shooter: Dick Underwood

Mr. Underwood started each string with a clean bore, but did not swab the bore between shots.

Shooter’s Observations: Elephant brand produced heavier fouling than the other powders, making it considerably harder to load after the second round was fired.

Test gun #2 was a Burke Custom, .62 caliber flintlock rifle with a 42" barrel, firing a .610" round ball patched with .200" cotton duck lubricated with a three part mixture of Murphy’s Oil Soap, Isopropyl Alcohol and Water. The powder charge was 100 grains measured by volume. The gun was primed with FFg (2Fg) Goex. This is not a misprint.

 

Goex® 

KIK® 

Elephant® 

Average Velocity

1335 fps

1431 fps

1272 fps

High Velocity

1344 fps

1453 fps

1346 fps

Low Velocity

1318 fps

1398 fps

1224 fps

Extreme Spread

26 fps

55 fps

122 fps

Spread / Av. Vel. = %

1.9 %

3.8 %

9.5 %

The shooter: Ralph Burke, owner and builder of the test gun. Mr. Burke started each string with a clean bore, and swabbed the bore between each shot.

Shooter’s Comments: "KIK®  produced less fouling, and less ‘red’ fouling than Goex® . It also produced noticeably more recoil and the recoil was uncomfortable, more like the hard, sharp recoil produced by modern smokeless cartridge guns than black powder muzzleloaders. Down right uncomfortable to shoot at this charge in this gun."

"Elephant®  produced more fouling than either of the other powders, and the fouling was thicker, more tenacious and more difficult to swab."

Test Gun #3 is a 20 gauge (.62 caliber) reproduction flintlock Tulle de Chasse smoothbore built by Pete Rollet of LaFayette IN. Firing a .600" cast round ball patched with .010" linen patches lubricated with deer tallow, and primed with FFFFg (4Fg) Goex® . The powder charge was 70 grains measured by volume. Each string was started with a clean bore and the bore was swabbed between each shot.

 

Goex® 

KIK® 

Elephant® 

Average Velocity

1106 fps

1234 fps

1008 fps

High Velocity

1153 fps

1288 fps

1039 fps

Low Velocity

1048 fps

1195 fps

944 fps

Extreme Spread

105 fps

93 fps

95 fps

Spread / Av. Vel. = %

9.4 %

7.5 %

9.4 %

Shooter: Thomas Swan (known to many of us as "Swannie")

Shooter’s Observations: In general, this gun does not shoot FFg black powder well. Although it rarely misfires with FFFg powder, using the FFg powder in this test resulted in numerous hangfires and misfires with all three brands of powder.

Elephant® brand powder resulting in much heavier fouling that was more difficult to swab from the bore than that of the other two brands.

Test Gun #4 was a Bayha custom built percussion rifle, .54 caliber 36" barrel, firing a .530 Spear swaged roundball patched with .015 ‘Texas’ teflon lubricated patches. The charge was 85 grains measured by volume, primed with RWS® percussion caps. Each string was started with a clean bore, and the shooter swabbed the bore between each round.

 

Goex® 

KIK® 

Elephant® 

Average Velocity

1564 fps

1614 fps

1387 fps

High Velocity

1593 fps

1679 fps

1486 fps

Low Velocity

1534 fps

1566 fps

1205 fps

Extreme Spread

59 fps

113 fps

281 fps

Spread / Av. Vel. = %

3.7 %

7 %

20 %

Shooter: Keith Bayha

Shooter’s Observations: The second shot in the KIK® string was difficult to load even though the shooter had swabbed the bore following his first. Thus problem did not subsequently repeat. This shooter noted that the Elephant brand powder produced thicker and more tenacious fouling than the other two brands of black powder tested.

Caveats and Conclusions: It should be noted that the data sample on which this paper is based is extremely small. While the charges of Goex® used by each shooter are probably the most accurate for each of these guns, none of the shooters has had an opportunity to discover the most accurate charge of the other two brands of powder. It’s quite likely that adjustments in the powder charges and other components could result in much better performance than the limited data presented here would seem to indicate.

Every muzzleloading firearm responds to different powders, powder charges, projectiles, patches and lubricants in a unique way. While we can make some general observations about the performance of the three black powders in a test of this nature, we can not determine how any brand of black powder, any powder charge, or any combination of components will perform in a particular gun. Each shooter must determine the optimal combination of components for his or her muzzleloader. Perhaps the most important conclusion that can be drawn from this data is that further testing is necessary to draw any sort of firm conclusion. It does show that a shooter may well find it worth the time and effort to experiment with other brands of black powder.

In this test, KIK®  brand black powder produced higher velocities than the same volume of both Goex®  and Elephant®  black powder in all four test guns. The average velocity produced by KIK brand black powder was 12.4% faster than that produced by the same volume of Goex, and 14.3% faster than that produced by the same volume of Elephant brand. Elephant brand black powder produced lower velocities than either of the other two powders in all 4 guns.

One of the shooters noted that KIK® brand black powder produced considerably more recoil and the recoil was more keenly felt as an uncomfortably sharp jolt as opposed to the ‘pushing’ sensation normally associated with the recoil of black powder fired through a muzzleloader. That shooter described the recoil as more consistent with modern, cartridge ammunition than black powder. He noted that if he were to fire KIK® black powder on a regular basis that he would feel compelled to reduce his normal powder charge in order to do so comfortably. None of the other three shooters reported any significant difference in recoil.

In theory, the powder charge that produces the most consistent velocity should provide the greatest potential accuracy in any given firearm. For this paper, I measured consistency as the percentage of the extreme velocity spread to the average velocity of each string. The data gathered in this test would indicate that in half of the guns tested Goex® provided the best potential accuracy, and in the other half of the guns tested, KIK® provided the best potential. In one of the test guns (#3) KIK® provided the highest potential accuracy, but Goex® and Elephant® brand were tied for ‘second place’. In the three remaining guns Elephant® brand black powder was the least consistent of the three powders tested, but this finding might change if the charge were increased sufficiently to produce velocities comparable to the other two brands of black powder.

Black Powder Substitute Powders.

There are black powder substitutes, which are designed to be used in place of real black powder because they are much less smokey, corrosive, and are not classed as an explosive. The 3 common substitutes are Triple 7®  Pyrodex® and Black Mag® with Pyrodex® and Triple 7® being by far the most popular however Black Mag® is the cleanest.

Note: Charcoal is not the only fuel that can be used in the making of suitable powders for use in black powder guns. Sugar is used in many pyrotechnic applications to reduce smoke and it's water soluble.

Ignition Of Powder Charges.
Granulated black powder is the easiest to ignite of all the powders that are being produced today and will work with all muzzleloader ignition systems. Granulated black powder substitutes such as Pyrodex are a little tougher to ignite and may not reliably perform in flintlock ignition systems.
Pelletized black powder substitutes are the toughest to ignite and may not reliably perform with most side lock ignition systems.

Black Mag’3® Black Powder Substitute Powder
Black Mag’3® is impervious to shock and significantly more resistant to friction than black powder or other propellants.
Black Mag’3®’s energy content is significantly greater than black powder but barrel pressure testing showed that it produced pressure levels approximately 50% lower than black powder. Measuring charges with Black Mag’3® is volume to volume with black powder. Black Mag’3® is recoverable after exposure to moisture, has a low ignition temperature and it is non-fouling, non-corrosive and nontoxic.

Note: The manufacturing of Black Mag’3® involves a "curing" process that results in the release of a small quantity of harmless gas, which may continue after the product is bottled. This may cause the bottle to swell, but it does not affect the safety, performance or stability of Black Mag’3®. If you notice that the bottle is bulging, simply loosen the lid to allow the harmless gas to escape; then re-seal the lid.

Hodgdon Black Powder Substitute Powders.
Hodgdon Pyrodex® and Triple Seven propellants are designed for use in muzzleloading and black powder cartridge firearms found by a competent gunsmith to be in good shootable condition.
Hodgdon Warning: NEVER mix any two powders regardless of type, brand or source.

Flintlock Ignition: To insure proper ignition in flintlock systems, 5 grains of FFFFG priming powder should be placed into the bore prior to loading the main charge of Triple Seven® or Pyrodex®. The main powder charge should be reduced by 5 grains to compensate for the addition of the priming powder.

Triple Seven and Pyrodex Pellets are designed for use only in newly manufactured muzzleloading, in-line rifles of 50 caliber, 54 caliber, and 45 caliber. Use Triple Seven® only in a 209 primer ignition system. Pyrodex® may be used with standard cap, musket cap or 209 primer ignition systems. Use only the correct caliber Pellet designated for the given caliber rifle. They are designed to be used with saboted bullets or conicals together with a fiber wad.

Hodgdon Pyrodex® 

  • Hodgdon Pyrodex P - Pistol Powder The principle use for Pyrodex P is in all pistols and in smaller bore rifles, 45 caliber and down. P is also useful as a priming charge in guns which have a fouled ignition channel or other ignition problems. P compares to 3F blackpowder on a particle size basis.
  • Hodgdon Pyrodex RS - Rifle/Shotgun Powder Pyrodex RS can be used in all calibers of percussion muzzleloading rifles and shotguns. Like all grades of Pyrodex, it burns cleaner and produces less fouling than blackpowder. RS compares to 2F blackpowder on a particle size basis.
  • Hodgdon Pyrodex Pellets - No measuring. No pouring. Pyrodex® Pellets give muzzleloaders greater consistency, performance and faster second shots.

Hodgdon Triple Seven® 

  • Hodgdon Triple Seven - is sulfur free and virtually odorless, the residue left in the barrel is water soluable and can be cleaned anywhere with just plain water.
  • Hodgdon Triple Seven FFFG - The principle use for Triple Seven FFFG is in all pistols and in smaller bore rifles, 45 caliber and down. Triple Seven FFFG is also useful as a priming charge in muzzleloaders that have ignition problems. Triple Seven FFFG compares to 3F blackpowder on a particle size basis.
  • Hodgdon Triple Seven FFG - Rifle/Shotgun Powder can be used in all calibers of percussion muzzleloading rifles and shotguns. It has a wide application of uses, burns cleaner and produces less fouling than Pyrodex RS. Triple Seven FFG compares to 2F blackpowder on a particle size basis.
  • Hodgdon Triple Seven Pellets - No measuring. No pouring. 777 Pellets give muzzleloaders greater consistency, performance and faster second shots.

Black Powder Substitute Powders Velocity Comparisons.

Powder

Grains

Projectile Weight

Velocity

45 Caliber Muzzleloading Rifle.

Pyrodex RS

100 gr.

45 cal. / 225 gr.

1741 fps.

Pyrodex P

100 gr.

45 cal. / 225 gr.

1756 fps.

Pyrodex Pellet

2-50 gr.

45 cal. / 225 gr.

1795 fps.

Triple Seven FF

100 gr.

45 cal. / 225 gr.

1905 fps.

Triple Seven FFF

100 gr.

45 cal. / 225 gr.

1925 fps.

Black Mag3

100 gr.

45 cal. / 225 gr.

2096 fps.

50 Caliber Muzzleloading Rifle.

Pyrodex RS

100 gr.

50 cal. / 348 gr.

1509 fps.

Pyrodex P

100 gr.

50 cal. / 348 gr.

1560 fps.

Pyrodex Pellet

2-50 gr.

50 cal. / 348 gr.

1469 fps.

Triple Seven FF

100 gr.

50 cal. / 348 gr.

1664 fps.

Triple Seven FFF

100 gr.

50 cal. / 348 gr.

1623 fps.

Black Mag3

100 gr.

50 cal. / 348 gr.

1888 fps.

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A special thank you to those that took part in these tests and provided everyone with such good details of their findings. We all have good intentions of making such tests but never get the testing done or the results done that Dick Underwood, Ralph Burke, Pete Rollet, Thomas Swan, Keith Bayha and the members of the 2001 Alaska State Rendezvous event have completed

Once again THANK YOU folks for your efforts and kindness in sharing your findings.

                                                                       Later

Buck Conner

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